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PostSubject: Re: The Nature of Debate   Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:00 pm

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When debating, I don't try to show up the other person.
The goal, for me, is to inform them & show them my idea & why I support it.


Do you ever change your mind?

Actually, I do sometimes.
If the other person gives me a convincing argument that can make mine invalid, then yes.
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PostSubject: Re: The Nature of Debate   Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:04 pm

I rarely change my mind based on other opinions. When I do, it doesnt change me form pro to con or vice versa, it usually just puts me in a straddling the fence kinda position.

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PostSubject: Re: The Nature of Debate   Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:36 pm

When I debate with someone,
I try to give them reasons why i stand for my point.
I try to understand their point, and try to get my point across.
The difference between a debate and argument is with a debate,
you're trying to make good points AND understand where the other person's
coming from.
If the person I'm debating with is closed minded and argumentative,
I'd rather stop talking to them because then it's just pointless.
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PostSubject: Re: The Nature of Debate   Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:13 pm

I go into a debate attempting to explain my point and why I support it, and maybe even enlighten someone else.
I don't usually completely change my stand on a subject(like most) if a good argument is put up, but sometimes I will think about and pick apart a different idea or aspect.
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PostSubject: Re: The Nature of Debate   Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:35 pm

BlackMirror wrote:
When I debate with someone,
I try to give them reasons why i stand for my point.
I try to understand their point, and try to get my point across.
The difference between a debate and argument is with a debate,
you're trying to make good points AND understand where the other person's
coming from.
If the person I'm debating with is closed minded and argumentative,
I'd rather stop talking to them because then it's just pointless.



Exactly. People should be able to respectother peoples opinions and be open minded.

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PostSubject: Re: The Nature of Debate   Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:45 pm

I respect the person, not the point being made.
So If I'm debating with someone and their point falls through, and they STILL push it, trying to twist it, instead of seeing that the point makes no sense, I become slightly annoyed with the person.
Because at that point their arguing because they don't want to be embarrassed instead of seeing that their argument is going no where.

So respect to the person, till they become personally involved with the point.

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PostSubject: Re: The Nature of Debate   Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:36 am

Debates are fun. My motivation is not to prove that I am right or to exercise my brain... It's simply to prove the ones I accused wrong wrong wrong. You won't excercise your brain if you're not agaisnt a formidable opponent.

Athough It may test how fortified my stance is, it is only a side benefit for ramming it to theirs.

It's fun when people squim and try to slither away from the main point. Igniting it even more by dropping a few insults that may be deemed "civilized" or whatever you you call it.
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PostSubject: Re: The Nature of Debate   Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:48 am

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Debates are fun. My motivation is not to prove that I am right or to exercise my brain... It's simply to prove the ones I accused wrong wrong wrong. You won't excercise your brain if you're not agaisnt a formidable opponent.

Yes I think that's also an important part, otherwise we likely wouldn't participate at all.

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Athough It may test how fortified my stance is, it is only a side benefit for ramming it to theirs.

So if you see weaknesses in your stance do you find evidence to reinforce it or do you ever concede to your opponent?
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It's fun when people squim and try to slither away from the main point.

It can be if you have the patience for it. I was recently debating someone over the fact that all knowledge is gained from suffering yet he was adamant in the idea that all knowledge comes directly from God himself with no pain or suffering required. If your opponent uses unreasonable "logic" and don't squirm, it's like talking to a wall. It's pointless for both.
Or maybe I just need better tactics.
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Igniting it even more by dropping a few insults that may be deemed "civilized" or whatever you you call it.

I find that insults derail from the stream of discussion in most cases, however if you wish to psychoanalyze your opponent in order to point out why they hold certain beliefs in spite of evidence directly contrary to fact, that can be fun.

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PostSubject: Re: The Nature of Debate   Mon Dec 15, 2008 2:07 am

Of course you will say that his actions have been implying that your insults are indeed true. It's a bonus if it's really the truth.

If I see a weakness in my stance (during debate) and my opponent has not yet pointed it out. I will either a.) think of it's limits and defences or b.) If it is a meaningless pursuit... I will simply offer it to my opponent as a gift, stating the weakness . If I see it before the debate... I will of course reinforce or just drop it completely if it is unsalvagable. If my opponent pointed it out during the debate. I will most likely admit my error... For covering it up will only make me look like ClassicFall... especially if my foe is sharp enough to pin me down.

Walls don't count as people. but you can poke walls until they turn red. Fight Fallacies by using fallacies!
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PostSubject: Re: The Nature of Debate   Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:44 am

Damnation wrote:
Of course you will say that his actions have been implying that your insults are indeed true. It's a bonus if it's really the truth.

I admit that there are times that I find this amusing when delivered properly, otherwise it's simply futility and bothersome to scroll through.


If people want to banter back and forth with personal insults I would suggest taking it to "No Man's Land" if a public duel of that nature is honestly desired.

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If I see a weakness in my stance (during debate) and my opponent has not yet pointed it out. I will either a.) think of it's limits and defences

Very wise of you.
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or b.) If it is a meaningless pursuit... I will simply offer it to my opponent as a gift, stating the weakness .

I find that admirable.


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If I see it before the debate... I will of course reinforce or just drop it completely if it is unsalvagable. If my opponent pointed it out during the debate. I will most likely admit my error... For covering it up will only make me look like ClassicFall... especially if my foe is sharp enough to pin me down.

I'm surprised that sparked such discussion simply over the misuse of the word "whit".
Honestly though I tend to like Classicfall in general.


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Walls don't count as people. but you can poke walls until they turn red. Fight Fallacies by using fallacies!

I may try that some time, it sounds like fun.

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PostSubject: Re: The Nature of Debate   Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:04 am

Ohohohoho. It is no noble deed... I am simply being a bastard for knowing that striking a flaw offered by an opponent is a great injury to one's pride. Plus, it's even more shameful for me if they found it out themselves.

What? I was annoyed that he attempted to cover up his mistake... And pm'd me claiming that we both are intelligent individuals. That ludicrous statement offended me.

But yeah, I will try to be less offensive to preserve the length of my time in a realm.
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PostSubject: Re: The Nature of Debate   Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:47 am

Damnation wrote:
Ohohohoho. It is no noble deed... I am simply being a bastard for knowing that striking a flaw offered by an opponent is a great injury to one's pride. Plus, it's even more shameful for me if they found it out themselves.

Lawlz! Yes, it's highly bastardly of you, your wickedness.


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What? I was annoyed that he attempted to cover up his mistake... And pm'd me claiming that we both are intelligent individuals. That ludicrous statement offended me.

*snickers*
I think he really should've just admitted his mistake and the whole argument could've been avoided.
It's funny how you can get to people like that.

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But yeah, I will try to be less offensive to preserve the length of my time in a realm.

It is appreciated. Hopefully this will reward you with something to kill boredom and offer amusement.

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